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Old 05-13-2008, 06:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Good day,

I'm curious if someone can tell me what the Forumer policy is regarding graphic abuse/death threats sent thru forum e-mails and PMs.

What happened was that I was the victim of several obscene messages which over the course of a couple days escalated into death threats when the perp couldn't get a reaction from the first ones he shipped out.

Unfortunately, I deleted these messages but later found out he was doing similar things to other members of the community I post at.

My question is...is there anyway possible I can recover these PM's for forwarding to the site administrator and possibly the authorities for possible criminal prosecution. I know it's possible to recover regular deleted e-mails from Outlook and Yahoo, etc. but not sure about here.

Yes, I know I should have saved them and not deleted but at the time I was unaware of the scope this person's unlawful behavior. It turned out to be widespread.

Any info or assistance anyone can provide would be most useful. Thank you in advance.

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Old 05-13-2008, 10:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmm, this is an interesting idea; I do not know if PMs are cached in the DB or deleted immediately (though I suspect the latter).

Please give me a link to the community in question and I will investigate further.

Thanks for reporting, this will not be tolerated with forumer.

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Old 05-13-2008, 07:12 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Edwin,

Thanx for the quick reply.

Here's the link to the community...

http://twilightzonewor.9.forumer.com/index.php?act=idx

The administrator is well-aware of what's been going on and he'll cooperate with you 100%. Just PM or e-mail him and he should get back to you fairly quickly.

The threatening poster is not anonymous. We definitely know who he is. He has been unregistered from the community but I wouldn't be surprised if signed up with another account to lurk anonymously.

Anyway...thanx again for your assistance Edwin and please get back to me when you learn anything.

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Old 05-13-2008, 07:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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server 9.....that's an IPB forum (you posted in the wrong section so I am moving the thread)....

were there any threatening emails sent from the forum or only PMs?

There is an email log feature in the admin CP available to the root admin and all emails sent from the forum are logged there............so if the admin didn't clear the logs you still should have some proof about it....

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Was he banned or deleted?

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Old 05-14-2008, 05:51 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanx for the follow-up Wild Cat,

The administrator of the site has found the thread but unfortunately is unable to respond (apparently he's got activation issues with his account here).

In any event, I have been corresponding with him outside this site and he has seen and has answered your questions via PM with me. I have his blessing to cut and paste his responses so here goes....




I found your thread on the board tonight. Unfortunately, the board still won't let me post for some reason, or I would have answered the two questions in Wild Cat's post.

were there any threatening emails sent from the forum or only PMs?

Only PMs (private messages). sad.gif I don't have logs of PMs, just e-mails (which I don't check unless there's a report of abuse).

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Was he banned or deleted?
His account was deleted at his own request. Between the time that I notified people through bulk e-mail to save their PMs from all soon-to-be-deleted members, and the time that I actually deleted those members, he brought a suspension on himself. He did this while knowing that I was going to delete his account a day or so later anyway, and that he wouldn't be allowed back under any account once I granted his deletion request. (In other words, he knew he had nothing much to lose by being suspended.)

Do you think you could tell the staff to look into the account of "Mr. Bevis," the administrator of the TZ Cafe, and that his account may need to be activated? I can log in but can't start new threads or reply to existing posts. Thanks.
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Old 05-14-2008, 09:29 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Every admin has an active account which is created automatically when they create a forum...the log in details are the same (username - in this case it should be Flight 33 and password) as they are/were for your root admin account on your board at the time when you created it........is that the account he is having trouble posting with?

Back to this member.........did you save his email address and IP (IPs if he posted on more than one) so he can be reported to his Internet Provider?

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Old 05-15-2008, 04:44 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Thanx Wild Cat,

Afraid our admin still can't get on here...

Yes, he did save the offender's IP addresses and also his e-mail. I'll get back to you on that this evening.

Let us know how we can relay this to you other than openly over a message board.
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:54 AM   #8 (permalink)
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You can email me, click on the link in my profile...

include in your email also your admin's user name for this board I'll see what I can do about his account...

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Wild Cat,

One more thing...can you get back to us on whether or not it's possible to retrieve the threatening and obscene PM's that his poster has been disseminating?

Thank you again for all your assistance.


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I will need to ask the admin about that....... but I wouldn't put my hopes up........

Sorry..........

I will get back to you as soon as I know for sure though.

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These will have been deleted instantly, however I could ask Limez to check the server backups. Do you have any idea of the timescale (when this happened)?

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One suggestion. You said you deleted it, but you also said others got it too. So maybe, you can get it from someone else.

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Edwin and Wild Cat,

This happened over about a five day period (I wanna say May 3-8). He hit about five of us members (including the admin). The last and by far the worst two came last (I'd say on from may 6-8). I'll elaborate more in the e-mail to Wild Cat and I'll copy Edwin on it if he's OK with it. There's quite a bit more of damning evidence to make up for what's missing

Be back to you both in a few hours. Keep an eye on your inboxes.

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If possible, can you send me an email with the details as well, and perhaps his IP as well, I'll try an see if I can report it to his ISP.

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That won't be necessary Rsrikanth as we may wish to take other action first.

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