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Christy · 05-04-2005, 11:43 PM

Okay here is my question and I feel like a *n00b* for asking. But when you set up the user groups to allow or disallow the ads -- do the page views still count for those who do not have the ad removal? Like I have guests set up to see the ads -- do my page views still count against me. I mean I would think not since that is the reason to set that up. But I ask because I have a really small board (less than 20 active members) and 2 weeks ago I paid for the $5 removal (30,000 page views) and now the ads are back and I am down to 0. It took us a little over 3 months last time.

Anyway, that is my problem. Here is my board if you need the link.

Isolice · 05-05-2005, 05:36 AM

No, your buck$ are only used when the page is loaded without ads on it.. Maybe your board had a particularily active two weeks?

Christy · 05-05-2005, 12:17 PM

I thought so -- just wanted to make sure. Still don't know how we went through them that fast. LOL!

Braindead · 05-05-2005, 01:25 PM

it's been a while since I saw the inside of an ipb 1.3 admin cp panel, but I thought you have an option to see the access statistics on your board (in the statistics section). It's called page views per month or sth like that, be aware that this stat includes guest views, I don't think you'll have that many guests visiting though...

however 30000 page views in 2 weeks seems excessive to me even including guest views that is...

I wonder about search engines though: are they treated as members for the ad-view thingy, it wouldn't surprise me that this is the cause that your cash melted away...

Christy · 05-05-2005, 04:25 PM

That's interesting -- I just went to look at the stats for topic views and in the past 2 weeks -- it says 1557.

Explain to me how the search engine might work?

GMYoda · 05-05-2005, 09:04 PM

PLEASE NOTE THIS MAY BE COMPLETELY WRONG....

I recall an option somewhere to allow a group/user to have no ad's....

so assuming I remember correctly, and you checked your page views and it's under 30k. Is there a chance you(or someone else) has deactivate the ad-removal option from 1 or more groups?

Braindead · 05-06-2005, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christy

That's interesting -- I just went to look at the stats for topic views and in the past 2 weeks -- it says 1557.

Explain to me how the search engine might work?

In the spider section you can select how to treat the search engines: as a guest, member, etc... treating them as a member is usefull if you want to have member only forums indexed by search engines.

I think (not sure though) that search engines will add up to the global pageview count so they will be included in the 1557 pageviews.
If it is indeed so search engine spiders add up to the total page views then it looks like the system to count the pageviews for ad-related things isn't working as it should...

Christy · 05-06-2005, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMYoda

PLEASE NOTE THIS MAY BE COMPLETELY WRONG....

I recall an option somewhere to allow a group/user to have no ad's....

so assuming I remember correctly, and you checked your page views and it's under 30k. Is there a chance you(or someone else) has deactivate the ad-removal option from 1 or more groups?

I went to look at the user groups were set up correctly -- meaning who could and couldn't see the ads. Nothing had changed. I am the only one who has access to the admin cp.

Thanks *Braindead* -- I am gonna have look around again and see what I can do about the search engines. I am not exactly sure I understand what you mean by spider section, but I will have a look see. So don't be surprised if I am back with more questions. If they are truly the culprit for my fBuck$ going down the tubes, then I need to solve this problem.

biff · 05-07-2005, 04:07 AM

i don't think there's a setting for 'bots' or search engine views in the Admin CP. if there was, i woulda seen it.

my Fbucks have been dwindling really fast too, but my board gets a lot of member views. i don't wanna pay for the 'bots' though.

here's a thing i just found out that kinda worries me...

a member mentioned that they see the ads sometimes.

members who are logged in should never see the ads. i'm a little curious though... if they're seeing ads, are the views they make when they see em counted against the $$$ i paid?

i don't think i'll pay for ad removal when my 5 bux runs out, because i think the whole system might be buggy. it's a waste of money to pay em off if members still see them from time to time. i feel like i might be paying for them to see ads.

also, people on PCs with the Firefox browser have the option to not see ads anyway, so i'm paying for them to not see something that they've already blocked on their own. it makes no sense to me.

Timelord · 05-07-2005, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biff

i don't think there's a setting for 'bots' or search engine views in the Admin CP. if there was, i woulda seen it.

There is a mention of Bots in the last section down the bottom on the left of the Admin CP. Whether or not that can be edited I can't say because I haven't got to that part yet.

biff · 05-07-2005, 11:22 AM

hmm...

Braindead · 05-07-2005, 11:24 AM

ah I just checked and the bot section is not directly accessible through the forumer forum admin cp, that is correct.

to access it do the following:
- login to your admin cp
your link now looks like:

Code:

http://xxx.?.forumer.com/admin.php?adsess=2d89d4611e6c2c83edc1ee48606103a1

- in the address bar add &act=op&code=spider at the end of the link and hit enter, this will look something like:

Code:

http://xxx.?.forumer.com/admin.php?adsess=2d89d4611e6c2c83edc1ee48606103a1&act=op&code=spider

In the "Treat spider/bot as part of which group?" you see which group spiders belong to. It looks as bots are treated as guests so if this is also the case on your forum that should be good.

biff · 05-07-2005, 11:27 AM

thanks, Brain. i'll go check it out.

biff · 05-07-2005, 11:30 AM

or at least i would if i wasn't getting a "too many connections" error at the moment.

Christy · 05-07-2005, 12:40 PM

Thanks Brain. I just checked and the bots are treated as guests.

05-04-2005, 11:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
Christy Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0 fTrader: (0) fBuck$: 481 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 481 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Questions about ad removal Okay here is my question and I feel like a n00b for asking. But when you set up the user groups to allow or disallow the ads -- do the page views still count for those who do not have the ad removal? Like I have guests set up to see the ads -- do my page views still count against me. I mean I would think not since that is the reason to set that up. But I ask because I have a really small board (less than 20 active members) and 2 weeks ago I paid for the $5 removal (30,000 page views) and now the ads are back and I am down to 0. It took us a little over 3 months last time. Anyway, that is my problem. Here is my board if you need the link.

05-05-2005, 05:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
Isolice Elite Forumer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,048 Rep Power: 11 fTrader: (4) fBuck$: 3,412 Bank: 55,373 Total fBuck$: 58,785 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal No, your buck$ are only used when the page is loaded without ads on it.. Maybe your board had a particularily active two weeks?

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Christy Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0 fTrader: (0) fBuck$: 481 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 481 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal I thought so -- just wanted to make sure. Still don't know how we went through them that fast. LOL!

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Braindead Active Forumer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 651 Rep Power: 5 fTrader: (3) fBuck$: 1,667 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 1,667 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal it's been a while since I saw the inside of an ipb 1.3 admin cp panel, but I thought you have an option to see the access statistics on your board (in the statistics section). It's called page views per month or sth like that, be aware that this stat includes guest views, I don't think you'll have that many guests visiting though... however 30000 page views in 2 weeks seems excessive to me even including guest views that is... I wonder about search engines though: are they treated as members for the ad-view thingy, it wouldn't surprise me that this is the cause that your cash melted away...
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05-05-2005, 04:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Christy Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0 fTrader: (0) fBuck$: 481 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 481 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal That's interesting -- I just went to look at the stats for topic views and in the past 2 weeks -- it says 1557. Explain to me how the search engine might work?

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GMYoda Active Forumer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington D (USA) Posts: 534 Rep Power: 4 fTrader: (9) fBuck$: 354 Bank: 139,783 Total fBuck$: 140,137 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal PLEASE NOTE THIS MAY BE COMPLETELY WRONG.... I recall an option somewhere to allow a group/user to have no ad's.... so assuming I remember correctly, and you checked your page views and it's under 30k. Is there a chance you(or someone else) has deactivate the ad-removal option from 1 or more groups?

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biff Active Forumer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 648 Rep Power: 5 fTrader: (1) fBuck$: 1,653 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 1,653 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal i don't think there's a setting for 'bots' or search engine views in the Admin CP. if there was, i woulda seen it. my Fbucks have been dwindling really fast too, but my board gets a lot of member views. i don't wanna pay for the 'bots' though. here's a thing i just found out that kinda worries me... a member mentioned that they see the ads sometimes. members who are logged in should never see the ads. i'm a little curious though... if they're seeing ads, are the views they make when they see em counted against the $$$ i paid? i don't think i'll pay for ad removal when my 5 bux runs out, because i think the whole system might be buggy. it's a waste of money to pay em off if members still see them from time to time. i feel like i might be paying for them to see ads. also, people on PCs with the Firefox browser have the option to not see ads anyway, so i'm paying for them to not see something that they've already blocked on their own. it makes no sense to me. Last edited by biff; 05-07-2005 at 04:12 AM.

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biff Active Forumer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 648 Rep Power: 5 fTrader: (1) fBuck$: 1,653 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 1,653 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal hmm...

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Braindead Active Forumer Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 651 Rep Power: 5 fTrader: (3) fBuck$: 1,667 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 1,667 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal ah I just checked and the bot section is not directly accessible through the forumer forum admin cp, that is correct. to access it do the following: - login to your admin cp your link now looks like: Code: http://xxx.?.forumer.com/admin.php?adsess=2d89d4611e6c2c83edc1ee48606103a1 - in the address bar add &act=op&code=spider at the end of the link and hit enter, this will look something like: Code: http://xxx.?.forumer.com/admin.php?adsess=2d89d4611e6c2c83edc1ee48606103a1&act=op&code=spider In the "Treat spider/bot as part of which group?" you see which group spiders belong to. It looks as bots are treated as guests so if this is also the case on your forum that should be good. Last edited by Braindead; 05-07-2005 at 11:26 AM.
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biff Active Forumer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 648 Rep Power: 5 fTrader: (1) fBuck$: 1,653 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 1,653 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal thanks, Brain. i'll go check it out.

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biff Active Forumer Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 648 Rep Power: 5 fTrader: (1) fBuck$: 1,653 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 1,653 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal or at least i would if i wasn't getting a "too many connections" error at the moment.

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Christy Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0 fTrader: (0) fBuck$: 481 Bank: 0 Total fBuck$: 481 Send fBuck$ » My Forumer My Country:	Re: Questions about ad removal Thanks Brain. I just checked and the bots are treated as guests.

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